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Comment on What they teach us in TMap Class and why it is wrong! by Peter Edmond

Peter Edmond — Fri, 18 May 2012 13:27:04 +0000

I have been both a tester and trainer in ISTQB and TMap. Yes we can make testing fun but without a method that testing has no structure and more importantly has no measureable completion. How will those new people on “more practical” course know when they have finished? What tests did they do? What did they forget? What defect types did they target? Which ones did they not look for? What is the risk to the system? My view after 40 years as a developer and tester is that this idea might be fun but is not just WRONG but so dangerously wrong that I am sad that no one else has seen it.

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Comment on What they teach us in TMap Class and why it is wrong! by Savita

Savita — Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:47:43 +0000

Thats great topic…

You know ISTQB then you can easily understand the drawbacks of it.

I would encourage you to present this topic so that it would help audience to decide what is good option for better software career

Good luck!

Comment on What they teach us in TMap Class and why it is wrong! by Jeroen Mengerink

Jeroen Mengerink — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:00:18 +0000

Hi Huib,

I completely understand what you mean! We are improving the courses with some more exercises, but most of it is still on paper. We are trying to get some actual testing in the courses, but achieving this is harder than it seems. The courses that actually have some practical exercises are the more technical oriented ones. This post gives me the chance to highlight Certified Agile Tester once more. This course contains a lot of theory on Agile, Scrum and testing, but also deals with practical exercises to help understanding and implementing the theory. I still agree with you that the certification part is less interesting, but the course is a great step in the direction you are suggesting in this post.

Jeroen

Comment on What they teach us in TMap Class and why it is wrong! by Derk-Jan de Grood

Derk-Jan de Grood — Wed, 04 Apr 2012 06:30:52 +0000

Hi Huib,
I am looking forward to our brainstorm meeting on the ‘dogma’s in Testing. Already dit some homework during the testing retreat. I find it very interesting to see what believes we ‘quote’ from the books and each other, but that are actually out-dated, not true or wrong.

And yes some bugs are found on paper, many while working with the system. Just recently got a question. My tester had a training, but now needs a really hand-on training. I suggested on site mentoring. No case can include the context.

You’re proposed session will be in line. Maybe pointing out what is wrong is the necessary first step to take. But I would focus on the what is right. It is not about T-map, it is about helping to get better testers

Comment on What they teach us in TMap Class and why it is wrong! by Ilari Henrik Aegerter

Ilari Henrik Aegerter — Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:30:52 +0000

Hi Huib
That is a great topic for Test Coach Camp and I am very much looking forward to hearing more about it and discuss it there in the group. You are right, software testing is not done on paper. Or more accurate: not ONLY done on paper. It resonates with so many things: The 10’000 hours practice model, the Dreyfus model of becoming an expert, tacit and explicit knowledge, etc. Cool idea, go for it! Very much fits into Test Coach Camp

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Comment on What they teach us in TMap Class and why it is wrong! by Stephan

Stephan — Sun, 01 Apr 2012 18:37:17 +0000

As soon as someone states the obvious — it is.

It’s amazing how testing (as well as other topics) is taught like that (I know I’m exaggerating here, though not as much as you might think): One person talking, maybe presenting text laden slides, handing out binders with those slides printed (likely in a way that doesn’t leave room of comments etc.), and now & then answering questions and/or paper based exercises (could be multiple choice).
At some point something went wrong, I think. Just imagine musicians, surgeons or car drivers being trained like that: Without actually practicing… You’d hardly dare to leave the house (unless the craftsmen who built it were trained like that as well) & listen to music.

Let me finally add it’s not only about improving existing classes, but pretty much every learning experience, including but not limited to conferences, online & real life courses.

Comment on Testing Dojo by huibschoots

huibschoots — Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:43:17 +0000

Thank you, it was a lot of fun! The dojo's at RI are not public, but at TestNet we will organize a public dojo. And yes, anyone can join! Managers, developers, analyst... anyone who wants to learn or improve his skills can join. Even if you have no (testing) experience, you can join. As long as you want to learn!